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Thread: Transponder Maps ~ Data 12/12/2019 Special Update

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    The new *TEST channels for PR on D15 are the same test channels we saw last week on those transponders, listed on Net 15. The new information that was added is that most of those records were added to Net 724, so that they appear in the PR guide, for anyone authorized to see the *TEST channels.
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    Weekly Analysis of the 11/13/2019 Data

    With all the new *Test records added this week, we are getting positioned for the Grand Implosion.

    The same pattern is repeated for channel after channel.
    For example:

    In the Hybrid tab
    We have a *Test record for FOXL/9421 as a National channel provided by D15
    We also have a matching *Test record for FOXL/9421 in market 213, Puerto Rico - the NAT+PR Beam being put to use on D15

    In the National tab
    We have an active FOXL/421 provided by D7S @119
    We also have a matching active FOXL/421 provided in Reverse Band by D14 @99CR


    The attached Analysis Excel provides Complete Change Detail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Speer View Post
    The new *TEST channels for PR on D15 are the same test channels we saw last week on those transponders, listed on Net 15. The new information that was added is that most of those records were added to Net 724, so that they appear in the PR guide, for anyone authorized to see the *TEST channels.

    So these are all the channels that are on 119, and currently mirrored on 99cr, right? It looks like many of them are also on SW2's transponders for PR, so once these go live on 103ca they can probably retire SW2 since they won't need those SW2 beams anymore.

    Then we'll see if they put the 95 channels also mirrored on 99cr on those same 103ca transponders (it is only ~60 channels added to the 100, there should be more than enough room for them since they're using MPEG4 compression) as I expect. Once they do that, they should be able to retire 95 - there would be very few WD subscribers that are SD only (they've been giving them slimlines for years) or perhaps even none, so it is just a matter of shipping them replacement receivers to replace SD equipment and 95 can go bye bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slice1900 View Post
    So these are all the channels that are on 119, and currently mirrored on 99cr, right? It looks like many of them are also on SW2's transponders for PR, so once these go live on 103ca they can probably retire SW2 since they won't need those SW2 beams anymore.

    Then we'll see if they put the 95 channels also mirrored on 99cr on those same 103ca transponders (it is only ~60 channels added to the 100, there should be more than enough room for them since they're using MPEG4 compression) as I expect. Once they do that, they should be able to retire 95 - there would be very few WD subscribers that are SD only (they've been giving them slimlines for years) or perhaps even none, so it is just a matter of shipping them replacement receivers to replace SD equipment and 95 can go bye bye.
    If you look at the TPNgrids, you will see that D15 TPNs 1-8 are pretty full. They seem to be taking the direction of putting their foreign language customers on Reverse Band. But we will see.
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    D14 99cr (net 12) tpns 4,5,6,7,11,13 and 15 (in that order) are in the process of being remapped to D15 103ca tpns 1-7. They have already created placeholder test channels on 103ca (net 15) TPN 8 to carry the one PR transponder on SW2. We will see if they want to pack any more SD international channels onto those transponders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Speer View Post
    If you look at the TPNgrids, you will see that D15 TPNs 1-8 are pretty full. They seem to be taking the direction of putting their foreign language customers on Reverse Band. But we will see.
    Not really. They just used the same transponder layout they had on 119 for 103ca - despite using MPEG4 compression which is more efficient, and having about 5 Mbps additional bandwidth on Ka. There is room for more stuff there.

    The fact they mirrored the entire transponder makes me suspect what they probably did was to pass the entire transponder through an MPEG2 -> MPEG4 transcoder. Perhaps this is a time/money saving move during the transition, but I find it hard to imagine this will be permanent since it wastes so much bandwidth.

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    But you have to remember who is in charge here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Speer View Post
    But you have to remember who is charge here.
    It was expedient and money saving to take this shortcut for now, but being able to end their lease for 95 will save a lot more money than whatever the additional statmuxes would cost to "do it right" once these channels are relocated to Ka, let alone the cost of visiting a couple hundred thousand (?) WD customers to upgrade to them to reverse band LNBs.

    If you count on Directv/AT&T to take the easiest route that saves the most money, being able to move the WD channels to Ka accomplishes that.

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    I am working on a way to report the shutdown of the Ku spotbeam transponders in our weekly reports. When I wrote the code for the change reports originally, I did not have a good way for identifying the individual spot beam transponders on Ku, because many transponders share the same TID and TPN numbers. We have improved that capability over the past 3 years. To start this off, here is a list of the D7S spotbeam transponders that are currently unused in the APG:

    Net 3, TPN 25, Beam R22
    Net 3, TPN 25, Beam R23
    Net 3, TPN 25, Beam R19
    Net 3, TPN 25, Beam C31
    Net 3, TPN 29, Beam C37

    There are no Net 0 (D9S@101) spotbeam transponders currently unused.
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    Hey great ...

    I was hoping for a weekly or so posted summarization of the status of the local Ku spotbeam turn-off ...

    As just consulting the TPN grid map as you suggested I do earlier was still a rather cumbersome way to keep track of it ...

    One more thing ...

    Would it be too much of a hassle or additional work to include the inactive/active tp. proportions on the spotbeam such as "1 of 2" or "2 of 2" so we can quickly see when all the tps. on a spotbeam are shutdown. And therefore the spotbeam itself turned off?

    Thanks ...

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